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Message started by Chris Smith on 08/12/06 at 15:43:36

Title: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Chris Smith on 08/12/06 at 15:43:36
Where is the line drawn? What makes a street car a street car and a race car a race car?

Is there more than just two? (Race and Street)

Chris




Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Gitdowns on 08/12/06 at 17:54:30
What a can of worms you are opening.

Anything that a person is willing to drive on the street, with all the hassles that go with it, is a street car. anything from an outhouse to a top fuel dragster.


ps, Hope outhouse isnt too offensive for anyone.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Chris Smith on 08/12/06 at 20:17:35
That's close to how I feel.

Mine is far from a real street car. But I will drive it every once in a while.

Still has an alternator and it CAN be driven on the street. Altough not near as comfortable as it could be. =)

A real street car IMO  would still have street tires and be able to be driven to lawton and back. Mine can't do that at all.

So I like your answer if you drive it on the street it is KIND of a street car.

I hope it does get some good conversation on this topic! But I don't mean it as a topic for people to get offended in any way. I can see this topic can be different for everyone. That's what I like about it.

Chris

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Gitdowns on 08/13/06 at 07:03:43
I hope everyone responds to this thread. You cou can have all of the illegal things you want on your car if you are willing to pay the price if you get caught. For me, I dont like loud cars. Being loud des not make it a hotrod. You cant quiet down alot of hp, that is just a fact, but to try and make a mild car car loud with 1 or 2 chamber flowmasters or other race type mufflers or even a boom boom sterio is just a nuscance.  The S-10 is the first vehicle I have ever ran with open exhaust. I would have mufflers on it, no matter how much et it killed. Chris, install spell checker on here, my spelling is terrible.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Chris Smith on 08/13/06 at 10:09:30
We need spell checker for me also. I may do that.   ;D

I hate the slow cars that are way too loud myself.

I am going to race mine with an exhaust system. although I haven't decided what muffler to run yet.

Chris

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by 84silverado on 08/13/06 at 23:39:27
i would have to say a street car would be one that has working lights and can be driven on the street without having to do any prep work (i.e. changing the tires, puting race gas in her, etc.). another thing i think would consider it a street car would be pulling up to get pump gas (i just think that is what makes a street car impressive).  a race car would be one that it's sole intention is to race at fascility made for racing (i.e. a cirle track car is made to race at a circle track). just my opinion on the difference.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Jims78 on 08/14/06 at 10:05:32
My definition of a street car is one that can run on pump gas without needing to tune for it, two, runs a real DOT approved tire. I have MT streets on the back of mine and have to take it home when a cloud comes over....already did two NASCAResq 360s here on base last fall when I had brought it into work....and it snowed!!!!!!!!....not fun....and that was with a 305 in it...now I'm not talking about putting McCrearys on the back but just something with a little more tread.  Loud exhaust doesn't bother me as long as its not 2" diameter glass-packs...I'd rather listen to exhaust than one of those d@mn booming stereos....

Cut and paste into word before posting....that's what I do....

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by A442DUDE on 08/14/06 at 11:42:43
MY DEFINITION AND THE ONLY ONE THAT COUNTS  ;) ;D IS A CAR WITH ALL WORKING LIGHTING, GLASS WINDOWS AND SOME KIND OF EXHAUST WHICH FOR 4 INCH IT GET'S A LITTLE PRICEY :o

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by A442DUDE on 08/14/06 at 11:45:32
AND A DOT TIRE I GUESS WOULD BE GOOD BUT NOT ABSOLUTLELY NECESSARY

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Chris Smith on 08/14/06 at 12:33:29
Very good definitions. I love to see the diference in what everyone thinks. The best part no one is wrong.


Thanks

Chris

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by robzridez on 08/14/06 at 15:07:48
What most of the cars we are calling street cars are what I refer to (heard from and friend) as outlaw cars in other words if you had to pass a safety inspection they would laugh at you but if you are in a place like Jimmy is you might as well sell it or quite wasting money on tags as they will NEVER pass those inspections.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Jims78 on 08/15/06 at 10:08:19
That's why you buy cars that are 1967 and older....any body have a chevelle for sale???? How about that 55???? After watching that video clip of Coe's I've got to find one....of course my Nova should be running by the end of the week....maybe....

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Jared Black on 08/15/06 at 10:13:13
For me, a street car is anything with power windows! j/k Rob,    ;D

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by robzridez on 08/15/06 at 18:25:17
you guys are just jealous its pretty nice rooling up to the the tree and just hitting the buttons and not doing all the sweating

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by robzridez on 08/15/06 at 18:27:27
Hey jimmy I asked monte about the other one and he said it was already gone but I do think leadbetter still has 1 or 2 but they are high.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Gitdowns on 08/15/06 at 23:02:49
Did anyone se the article in Hot Rod recently where they drove cars 1600 miles, raced at 5 different drag strips, etc.? A guy from Woodward, Ok won the thing, 8.50's pulled a trailer behind with tools tires gas etc. The car had flashlights stuck through the fiberglass front end for headlights, was completly legal to drive in the state of Okla. No safety insp here, so that part depends on where you live.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Chris Smith on 08/15/06 at 23:16:06
I missed that one. I need to find it.

That's probably one of the reasons they are thinking about bringing back inspection stickers.  ;D

Chris

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Jims78 on 08/15/06 at 23:30:24
Rob,
I went out to leadbetter (however you spell it) when I was back home in July....he had a 2-door HT that while salvageable, it's beyond my limited body work skill.....he did have a 66 or 67 Chevy II that someone butchered the quarters on but the rest was pretty nice....didn't feel like towing anything back on this trip

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by 84silverado on 08/16/06 at 00:03:39

Gitdowns79 wrote on 08/15/06 at 23:02:49:
Did anyone se the article in Hot Rod recently where they drove cars 1600 miles, raced at 5 different drag strips, etc.? A guy from Woodward, Ok won the thing, 8.50's pulled a trailer behind with tools tires gas etc. The car had flashlights stuck through the fiberglass front end for headlights, was completly legal to drive in the state of Okla. No safety insp here, so that part depends on where you live.


havent heard of that one but sounds very impressive, another one that is impressive is a guy named parish drives a blue 4x4 silverado loaded down drivin off the street, from kansas or nebraska runs high 9's last i heard

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by M@ on 06/26/07 at 20:42:04
I think a "street car" should be one with d.o.t. tires all lights, glass etc... also no trans brakes or air shifters. i think the only fiber glass on the car should be a a hood only cause the steel ones are like 300 more LOL. the only other thing i like is that the suspension be stock type mounted in the stock locations. my favorite classes are probably the 10.5 guys.. oh and if we are going by what alot of these guys around here think is a "fast street car" be it import or not you have to have alot of bondo and primer with little to no actual body work haha j/k marcha.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Chris Smith on 06/26/07 at 22:26:10
poor marcha!

That thing looks a lot better than it did, hehe.

I keep changing my definition of a street car. Working lights, real glass, mostly steel, all working lights, mufflers,no aftermarket strut suspension, actually drivable. (Alternator and a decent radiator)

Of course a "Real" street car is more streetable. Dot Tires, only a glass hood, being able to at least drive it to lawton.  (Yes Monte, you need to drive yours to the track next time)  ;D

Chris

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by M@ on 06/27/07 at 01:39:33
i agree those guys did an awesome job with limited amount of money and time...

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Hamp on 06/27/07 at 19:08:42
Maybe we should consider putting the street cars in classes like they do at the strip. We can have pure street, hot street and pro street. That way everyone can fit into a particular bracket and nobody gets their feelings hurt when they get stomped by a car that fits into a higher catagory or they don't fit into as high a catagory they felt they should.

Hamp

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by Bowties4me on 06/27/07 at 22:04:58
Wow Chris you have alot more faith in my old bucket of bolts than me!! We'd have to leave at five in the morning to beat the heat!

Monte

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by zfver on 06/27/07 at 22:40:30
My version of a street car:

Tagged and insured. All working lights. Doesnt need a charger after every pass to charge the battery. DOT tires. Can make long drives without overheating. Capable of running on pump gas and making full passes.    


Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by 84silverado on 06/28/07 at 04:03:43

zfver wrote on 06/27/07 at 22:40:30:
My version of a street car:

Tagged and insured. All working lights. Doesnt need a charger after every pass to charge the battery. DOT tires. Can make long drives without overheating. Capable of running on pump gas and making full passes.    

 
tagged and insured ...  check ...  working lights ... kinda check...  charging system ...  check ...  DOT tires...  check...  pump gas... check (87 at that)...  Now the making long drives without overheating (you didnt say how fast you go or how long it takes to get there so....)   .... CHECK.... lol  ;D


Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by 84silverado on 06/28/07 at 04:07:16

M@ wrote on 06/26/07 at 20:42:04:
oh and if we are going by what alot of these guys around here think is a "fast street car" be it import or not you have to have alot of bondo and primer with little to no actual body work haha j/k marcha.



never said it was a "fast street car" i let other people be the judge of that, and why worry about how the car looks as long as it moves... but yes bondo is a must especially in the back where you need more weight haha

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by bagdeepracing on 06/29/07 at 21:42:14

zfver wrote on 06/27/07 at 22:40:30:
My version of a street car:

Tagged and insured. All working lights. Doesnt need a charger after every pass to charge the battery. DOT tires. Can make long drives without overheating. Capable of running on pump gas and making full passes.    

Minus the pump gas we have many cars consistantly running 5:20 - 5:30's in the 1/8 if you consider the m/t drag radials dot tires. i know mine will go mid 6's on nuts and i can drive anywhere at a constant 180 degree on the temp gauge. just sucks at $8.50 a gallon for fuel and the law always looking at the hoosiers on the back. but it is registered tagged driven and raced on the street after all it is a street car.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by bagdeepracing on 06/29/07 at 21:44:48

Jims78 wrote on 08/15/06 at 23:30:24:
Rob,
I went out to leadbetter (however you spell it) when I was back home in July....he had a 2-door HT that while salvageable, it's beyond my limited body work skill.....he did have a 66 or 67 Chevy II that someone butchered the quarters on but the rest was pretty nice....didn't feel like towing anything back on this trip


Is the chevy 2 for sale ? If so i am in need of a parts car for mine. I need another good excuse for a visit back that way anyways.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by zfver on 06/29/07 at 21:49:00

bagdeepracing wrote on 06/29/07 at 21:42:14:
Minus the pump gas we have many cars consistantly running 5:20 - 5:30's in the 1/8 if you consider the m/t drag radials dot tires. i know mine will go mid 6's on nuts and i can drive anywhere at a constant 180 degree on the temp gauge. just sucks at $8.50 a gallon for fuel and the law always looking at the hoosiers on the back. but it is registered tagged driven and raced on the street after all it is a street car.

Ok then if it cant run pump and still be reliable then it isnt very streetable. And yea any racing tire that has DOT on it is legal. Heck I run ET streets so I cant complain. But those are some pretty impressive times.

Title: Re: When does a street car become a race car?
Post by bagdeepracing on 06/30/07 at 14:24:49
It runs fine on pump gas just makes it hard for the unexpected races on the street. Would suck to have all the potential but have to pull so much power out someones granny beat ya on the street.

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